|
(The usual interview team, the editors and
a representative of EarthLight, was joined this time by another
member of the newsletter team, Marion Kee.)
Phoenix
Rising: Your last interview raised a lot of questions
with our readers, so we’d like to ask you to use this
time to respond to some of them. Here is the first set:
“We’d like to ask about moving into
Ascension after the completion of Sacred Status, in particular
the choice we have as Guardians whether or not to stay beyond
the activation of Ascension. In the last interview, you said
that ‘release’ (the choice not to stay) would not
likely be defined as death, although it was possible that
it could be. If you don’t stay, and you don’t die,
what do you do? Do you just disappear? What happens to our
physical form if it doesn’t die, but we leave? Does it
move into other dimensions?”
Samuel:What
I try to get away from when answering a question like that
is the semi-popular idea among New Agers that you will be
multi-dimensional, with the ability to invisibly come and
go from this dimension as you wish.
As is the case with so many things like
that, there are partial truths in it. It’s true that
you do gain the ability to function multi-dimensionally, but
not as your human self that is here now. For Guardians, particularly
those on the Ellic function line, you can choose to continue
the work, but not necessarily as a human. You become more
like an overseer, a ghostly god, so to speak. (Oh, I can hear
the trouble I am going to cause with that one already.)
If you’re not finished with your compact,
you remain in form. If you are finished, you go, and if you
go, your form is going to look like it died.
Just a clarification: Because the question’s
focus is on the physical, it’s not taking into account
the larger being that we really are, the Entity that is, in
a sense, deciding what it needs and doesn’t need. So
when you say “If you don’t leave but you stay and
you are multidimensional,” it’s not the person.
No, if you don’t leave, you continue
on like this in physical form and that’s not multidimensional.
It’s the confines of the physical world, your flesh-and-blood
self, that stops you from being multi-dimensional.
But the Entity is multi-dimensional?
Correct.
So if I release my form and my energy continues
working here, it would be without a body. It would never be
the personality essence that’s working here now.
That’s right.
So when Frank Schultz no longer has a body,
Frank Schultz is no longer working here in the earth dimension.
All right, you are all answering it better
than I am, but yes that’s very much the case.
What I’m particularly wanting to correct
though is the misunderstanding that any Guardian—and
the key in there is “any Guardian”—is going
to be able to function in any dimensional reality they want.
There are those right now who have the idea that they—the
person they are right now—are also working on this dimension
or that dimension already, and that’s absolutely incorrect.
This body, this form, this personality cannot do that. It
would be quite amazing for even high-frequency Guardians who
are here to be able to release enough to do that.
In this dimension, this world, you do not
have general acceptance of the idea that you can be in two
places at the same time. That’s not saying that that’s
correct—that you cannot be in two places at the same
time—I’m saying that it isn’t a reality because
it’s not accepted thinking and thus accepted beliefs
by the masses. Reality is a function of mass belief.
If the Entity is multi-dimensional, how much
of that work or information that the Entity is dealing with
can be transferred to this physical form?
The very same that is already possible.
As you master one aspect of life, you have access to the same
functions of mastery that the Entity’s other projections/personalities
have already experienced here. That’s the “big P-little
p, big E-little e,” entity, personality. That’s
already possible, but it’s not what people want to believe.
It would be as though you walked into the
ocean and suddenly knew what the seaweed was thinking and
feeling and saying. It would be so far outside of your usual
ability to interact, so different from anything that you’ve
ever experienced, that it would not make sense to you. That’s
not to say that the seaweed is not giving you that information
anyway, right now, but you are not equipped to understand
it. And even when you are functioning at your highest frequency
in this form, you are still not equipped. Why is that? Well,
what are the key words there? “In the form.” If
you’re in form, you have absolute boundaries, no matter
how high a frequency you work at, and one of those boundaries
is that form does not release enough to be able to workably
function multi-dimensionally. But you can catch glimpses of
what is out there through the “large P” Personality
and gain the wisdom of the mastery of those functions through
the Entity.
The next question is: “How do you leave
the planet without dying? On the other hand, what will happen
if you choose to stay? We’ve heard that you become transparent
or are able to become transparent at will. Is that accurate?”
No.
“I think you drew a distinction between
what would look like dying, but would be a release and not
actual death. Do you mean that you will not engage in that
whole dying process, but you could just leave the form? What
kind of experience are we talking about?”
You wake up some morning and your pet is
gone. It’s still physically present, but nonetheless
gone. How do you know it’s gone?
Its body is no longer alive, functioning. No
breathing, no heartbeat, at least enough to notice.
The body no longer functions. The mind no
longer functions. Would you notice a difference if the spirit
is gone?
I think so. In what way do you mean different?
Is it possible to have somebody who in all
ways does not function but is still here?
I would think of people on life support that
are in vegetative states, and maybe newborns whose souls have
not entered the form yet.
You’re right, but those are stages
of life. Death requires full release, and there are as many
ways to die. You go to bed one night and you don’t wake
back up. You go to a party and choke on an hors d’oeuvre.
There’s a whole lot of ways to die, and when it’s
time for that to happen the appropriate situation will make
it possible. And I cannot say how is it going to look, because
how Frank is going to do it, and how David and Marion and
Paula and Hapi are probably going to do it are all different,
depending on what’s going on at the time. And, if you
have any function left you have the option of staying alive,
but if there is no function then you are dead and that personality
is finished. When the spirit leaves there is death. When the
body isn’t functioning and the mind isn’t working
you can still have a life (some of you are managing fairly
well in that state now [laughing]). Having a life doesn’t
mean living, though, does it. Living—in the best sense
of the word—is due to a functioning Spirit and dying,
then, in most cases is when the Spirit no longer functions.
Your truest self—your “Spirit”—is your
life force. Death is the result of the Spirit having no way
to work, to function in the world. That is a sad way for a
Guardian to go.
That moves into the next question, which is
“I read in the last issue that ‘your work is about
the shift out of form, not how wonderful form can be.’
Gosh, Samuel, I’ve been your student and disciple for
twenty-one years and this is the first time I’ve read
that my work is about the shift out of form.”
Is she aware that that’s taken out
of context and she did not get what I was saying?
The rest of the question is, “I know that
I work as a ‘Guardian of the Plan,’ and the Plan
is to bring about the completion of Sacred Status, but this
puts things in a new light. What does it mean that some of
the members of our Tribe have already left with Sacred Status
still not complete? Did they fulfill their compact with you?”
There are a lot of people in your lives
who are leaving now. Is that because they have finished what
they’re doing? Does it mean they are complete and now
able to move on to the next thing? If you are talking about
Guardians, the answer is no. They left with a compact unfinished.
Now, that’s a little harsh, but it’s the truth.
Those that are leaving but are amongst humanity, they might
be finished or might not, but they will cycle back around.
Guardians won’t. At least, high-frequency Guardians won’t.
The next question is, “What happens if
we don’t fulfill our compact with you in this lifetime?
Will there be another opportunity or lifetime where we can
maybe work harder and stay longer?”
You will fulfill your compact, one way or
another. You will not leave if you have not fulfilled your
compact. However, if you leave early, the compact will have
been renegotiated. Sometimes you will accomplish more by your
death than you have been accomplishing by your life. That
can be a good reason to renegotiate. The spirit you are doesn’t
stop because the body has.
Is that saying that the compact exists just
in this dimension?
Correct. The compact is with your humanity.
As long as the personality survives there is work that can
be done through it, but that work is limited to those here
who are keeping the personality alive. How do you keep a personality
alive?
You grieve over it excessively. You don’t
release the memory.
Right. You don’t let go.
Presumably an Entity has other projections.
Are you saying that the work could continue through those
other projections even though this particular one has been
withdrawn?
That’s true. Yes.
I guess this question is different from the
first one, because the first question is based on the premise
that the completion of Sacred Status has happened, so our
compacts are finished, and there wouldn’t be a reason
for those other personalities to continue to work.
Exactly, except by choice. And the choice
would be to stay in form and continue, in whatever way is
possible, to help bring about the activation of those who
have awakened but are not yet activated. Just because the
majority of life force is awakening does not necessarily imply
that activation has taken place too. They’re going to
need nursemaids, so there will still be work to do.
If a renegotiation of the compact does take
place, would the personality be involved at all?
No.
Does it take place at the Entity level without
the personality being conscious of it or able to influence
it?
Absolutely. But it depends on the personality
and how much mastery there has been to be able to detach from
that personality. That is the idea with high-frequency Guardianship.
If you’re able to function at an Ellic level for at least
long enough to work on some of the planetary workings that
we have been doing over the last ten years or so, you are
going to be able to see and understand that aspect of detachment.
If you’re just waking up to all of this then you’re
probably going to be so tied into the personality that you
would not see or understand it, and as a result of that, you
would not even have that choice.
The last question is, “Here’s what
the process of Sacred Status feels like to me: the world is
coming apart at the seams; world corruption is at an all-time
high and more transparent; and my shortfalls and those of
my relatives have become more magnified. I keep my head above
water by consciously noticing the 5:3:2 miracles as they occur
around me, and even when my heart is heavy, I can see and
appreciate them.
“For those of us Guardians who are not
experiencing satisfaction with our personal journeys right
now, will we be able to do so before we finally leave? Will
we ever have an inkling of the good we did even if we weren’t
able to see it at the time?”
The energy that is coming to the planet
right now is going to amplify what is going on with you. If
what is going on with you is a negative, short-coming, chaos-directed,
crisis-enacted, misery, you will indeed become more miserable.
If you are attached instead of detached, if you are judging
yourself by what’s going on around you rather than the
actions you are consciously taking to bring about change.
If you are a part of the problem rather than the solution.
If you are still working on controlling those basic, security-based
reactions, I promise, what you are going to be seeing in the
world will be a reflection of what’s going on in you.
And you are going to see that more and more.
When you are in quicksand and feeling yourself
sinking, it’s very hard to force yourself to remember
what the rules are for getting out of quicksand. All you think
about is the great sucking force that is pulling you down.
And you can focus on that, and you can make it a filter through
which you see your whole life. If that’s what you’ve
always done, that’s probably what you’re going to
do again. And the gift is that the sense of despair, frustration,
and negative chaos is going to be amplified. However, if you
are surrounding yourself with those who are not attached,
who are examples of Right Action and high-frequency priorities,
if you are doing everything you can to make sure your energy
is readapting . . . and what’s the best way to do that?
Toning.
Toning, yes! Then through the changes toning
brings about you are going to be slowly detaching yourself
from that negative place.
This question is a good one because it allows
me the opportunity to say, “Get over yourself. Get over
it. You know what you should be doing.” And the message
hasn’t changed. Yes, I am impatient for Guardians to
stop relying on their humanity to judge their lives.
As you were talking, I was thinking of all the
things that you’ve told us to do: look at options, look
to break patterns, think outside of your usual box, explore
different ways of doing things.
Look at your fears. Figure out what it is
that is keeping you happier with the misery than letting it
go. Figure out what it is that you’re getting out of
the misery. Figure out in what ways you are relating to the
chaos of the world to find a similar pattern in yourself.
See if you have had successes in the past that can help you
work through this.
I sometimes find myself falling into that trap
of judging myself by what’s going on with the people
and events around me. There must be something fundamentally
scary about letting go of the need to have that way of looking
at things.
Be specific. Letting go of what?
Letting go of the tendency to say “I have
to judge myself by what’s going on around me that is
affecting me, that’s in my face all the time. If things
are flowing well, I’m good, and if they’re not,
I’m bad.
Well, it’s part of that “If I
am good, bad things won’t happen.” It’s part
of that “I am doing all that I can do but the world isn’t
getting any better.” And that’s not correct. The
world is getting better, and change is happening.
I greatly appreciate that the prelude to
this question was being grateful for all of the miracles that
you see, all of the time, but that’s missing the point.
You manifest according to your beliefs about yourself. If
what you are seeing is hardship and difficulty, maybe you
need to look somewhere else. As long as you are afraid of
taking a very serious look at yourself you are going to judge
you by what you see in the world. You’re not going to
be attached into the greater reality. You will absolutely
not be detached. You will be unable to see anything but you.
In this particular case it’s a long-standing pattern,
but it’s a very human thing. People judge everything
by how safe they are. If you are not very safe, then it must
be you are not doing well. If a Guardian’s awareness
is added into that mix then it’s going to create the
constant imbalance of “What can I do to guarantee that
I will enjoy this life?” and seeking, ultimately, rather
selfishly for one’s own happiness, and I mean that in
the worst kind of way, seeking one’s own gratification.
As a Guardian, you are in the world, you
are in form, you are here where form rules. Your job is to
create new rules. You’re not of the world.
The other part of that question was, “Will
we ever have an inkling of the good we did, even though we
weren’t able to see it at the time?”
The question I would respond with is “Why
are you not seeing it already?” If you’re not seeing
it, why would you choose to put that “good” into
such a small box so that it’s something your eyes and
brain can accept and label as “good”?
I’m going to provide an exercise for
seeing the good you do. Take three weeks without any outside
news source. During the middle week of those three, go totally
without television, ideally even without music in the car
as you go back and forth. I’m asking you to put yourself
outside of media influence for the middle week. That means
no magazine, newspapers, or Internet news.
Spend that time being excessively polite
and helpful, and sacrificing—that word’s used on
purpose—your needs to help others. Sacrificing your needs:
I am saying, go the extra mile. I’m not saying that,
if you see somebody who needs help and you would usually just
pass them by, that you should stop and give them money. I’m
saying give of your time. Do what you can at the moment to
serve others.
At the end of that three weeks you are going
to be changed, I promise. You are going to be changed because
on a physical and a mental and an emotional and a spiritual
level, you are not focusing on yourself. You are not being
fed a constant flow of negativity; no matter how real it is
as a part of a world, you’re backing off of it.
Three weeks of that, the middle week, no
media of any kind. And for those who know that they are going
to need a lot of help with this, journal your emotions, keep
track of your joy, blessings, gratitudes—create a gratitude
journal—and make sure that you are feeding yourself lovingly,
if lovingly is healthfully. It’s not “Well, I really
need to give myself some comfort so I’m going to have
a drink or . . .”
Eat a quart of ice cream.
Right. There is so much you can do to change
the way you function in the world. When you are really attached
to someone else’s drama, to your own drama, it’s
because you are steeped in a belief about the need for punishment,
which is very prevalent in this culture and often shows up
as being a workaholic or other patterns of addictive behavior.
So, take a large part of the punishment out of your life and
see if that does not turn around some of the  ways
you see what’s going on in the world around you.
|
