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Phoenix Rising:
You have said that time is not reality,
yet you speak of seedings of the earth that come in succession,
and you lead us through workings meant to produce a certain
effect. But terms such as “change” and “cause
and effect” all reinforce our conventional way of thinking
about time. Is it possible to have a meaningful dialog about
any of these things without using terms that reinforce consensus
reality, but instead help us see reality as unchanging or
outside of time?
Samuel: Are
you asking a question about time or about consensus reality?
I’m not particularly talking about consensus
reality, but more about time.
There are two very accurate but different
points being made there. One of them is that time is a function
of form, and the other one is that there really is no time.
When I say “form,” I’m referring to a dimensional
quality, what you think of as the world, or as I sometimes
say, the worlds. You need to remember that the dimension of
form is all about duality, and time is a function of that
duality. Time is the result of the degradation of form at
the atomic level, or even smaller. Degradation—there’s
a better word for it than that, the process of slowly devolving.
Devolution, maybe?
Remember, you don’t want to stay in
this body forever, do you? You don’t want the glass,
the clock, the rug to last forever. Those are the pretty broad
examples, but everything must devolve.
You have said, when talking about entropy, that
the energy will always gradually revert back to chaos.
Correct, but remember, that’s all form.
Even on the atomic level of form returning to chaos, it’s
all form. But form is how the brain can relate to it, so when
we talk about time, it is always going to be as a function
of form, because there is no time outside of form. However,
there are realities within this dimensional reality in which
time functions differently than it does here. So as you think
about time functioning differently than here, think about
what I’ve referred to as a “crossover.” A crossover
means that you are connecting into another dimension within
this one, and that creates an evolution of your awareness
of time, not only as a function of the clock but as a function
of the devolution of matter, or form, as a whole. Within duality,
matter is, and the process of moving to a state of is not
is what time is all about. In a broad sense, time is the process
of duality.
However, we now have Fusion [of masculine
and feminine energy]. Fusion has provided the opportunity—not
made it the rule—for more of those crossovers to occur,
and in this dimension there is a change in reality with regard
to time because of those crossovers.
You said, “realities within this dimensional
reality.” Would an example of that be when the entity
puts down projections into different times?
Yes.
So if there were projections into 1462 and 1902,
for example, there could be a crossover of energy or information
between those two.
Yes. You’ve got it. Having said that,
though, remember that the big question is, Does it matter?
And the answer is no. But I’m happy to play with you
here.
You may have already answered this: Does time
consist of a single dimension in this physical dimension?
You’ve said it doesn’t. Is it correct to think of
time as existing along a line, or does the notion of moving
sideways in time have any basis in reality? I’m wondering
if crossovers may be a kind of sideways movement into another
time dimension.
I’m not sure I understand the idea
of sideways well enough, because time does not function in
a line—and here’s where it gets fuzzy—unless
you are someone who doesn’t have access to any crossovers.
In that case, time would be linear. However, I don’t
see how sideways isn’t a different version of a line.
Well, you can move along a line vertically,
but if you move away from it horizontally, that’s what
I mean by sideways.
I prefer the illustration of a pond or a
stream. You can throw five rocks into a pond, and depending
on where they land—one might go here, and one might land
over there, and one might just fall by your feet—but
it all takes place in time. And the one that’s up here
is not going to know anything about the one that’s over
there. I like that description better.
Another version is where you stick your
foot into a stream and the water that’s running over
you right now is not the water that is there in the next moment,
because the water that was on your foot first is already downstream.
Either of those is workable, but it doesn’t matter how
you perceive it; you are affected by it until you reach a
point in your experience that you can recognize crossovers.
When you are aware of crossovers, you shift out of the limitations
of this one viewpoint, which gives you access to other versions
of you. But it’s still all form. And if it’s not
form, there’s no time because there is no dichotomy.
There is time or there is Source.
Is it just Guardians that experience crossovers,
or can mass consciousness experience them, too?
Let’s take off both of those labels
for a bit. Crossovers involve a frequency change, but that
frequency change is the result of awakening at a particular
level, or activation at a particular level. Remember that
Guardians is my label, but that label covers any of those
with whom I have a compact. There are Guardians that are not
a part of this work that is Samuel, but have a different label
under a different compact. Or, to say that more simply, those
I work with in other forms can also do this. It’s a frequency
thing, it’s not just a Guardian thing.
You may have already addressed this, but, how
does consciously shifting out of the ways in which we’re
used to viewing time allow us to recreate our world?
As I have said, you change time when you
change your reality. Put that thought aside a moment. One
way you can change your reality is to change your belief system.
Changing a belief does not mean that you will change time,
but changing time is the result of changing beliefs. (I’m
getting the smell of smoke from David, and Paula is saying,
Yes, I get that.)
“You create your reality” is a
very misunderstood teaching. On a very basic level, when newly
awakened, it’s easy to acknowledge that every day you
change many things, because you have suddenly awakened to
new ways of seeing what is around you. But that level of changing
your reality is not going to move you out of your reality;
it’s changing you so that you see a bigger picture. Hence
there is the yellow Volkswagen thing: you never see them until
you think “yellow Volkswagen,” and suddenly you
see them everywhere. However, on a higher level of frequency,
which happens to mean a higher rate of activation or spiritual
function—more spirit, less form—you’re actually
able to get information from other parts of yourself. And
that’s a doorway that eventually you will be able to
access at will instead of by serendipity.
When, by your intent, you touch in to one
of those bleed-throughs, it becomes a crossover. I know, we’re
just playing word games here, but I’m trying to describe
different ways of thinking about it. When you are consciously,
purposefully, connecting in to a crossover, you are connecting
in to the greater flow of time. The greater flow of time is
what holds the pattern of form. Pattern-keepers—those
who hold the frequency—are the true time-keepers, because
holding the pattern means holding time. So they can actually
change reality, whereas anyone else is changing themselves
to recognize deeper levels of this reality.
Different cultures conceive of time in different
ways.
Don’t you love that?
For example, as a linear progression, as a cycle,
a spiral. How much is our concept of time created by the design
of the human brain and how much is due to thought systems
we learn as young children within our cultures?
Well, of course, anything that you learn
as a part of your culture is functioning as a part of your
brain, so there really isn’t a separation there. The
answer is, it’s both.
In what ways does our perception of time in
this dimension serve the Plan?
The Plan is a function of the world of form,
and time is a function of the world of form. Therefore the
way that it serves is that it creates a means for the fulfillment—also
called the evolution—of thought, of form, of creation.
Time allows for a beginning and end. Without time, you have
total oneness.
In what way does the Plan serve Source?
The idea is that the completion of Sacred
Status creates an ascended state in which there is not “Source”
over here and “something else” over there—a
dichotomy. Instead, it is only Source in clear and individuated
expression. I tell you all the time that you are Source, but
the ultimate result of Ascension is that there is Source [pointing
to David] and there is Source [pointing to Paula] and there
is Source [pointing to Frank] . . . really creating exactly
what I laugh about: the Source convention. It’s the only
way for Source to expand. Really. It’s the hope of all
of this.
I have heard other discussions—philosophical,
metaphysical discussions—in which time is referred to
as an illusion, yet you said that, within the realm of form,
time rules. So is it incorrect to think of time as an illusion?
Well, time is an illusion, but so is all
of this [referring to the room].
So as long as we’re in form, we can’t
pierce the veil of illusion that is time, other than crossovers,
which is just a different perspective of time.
That’s right.
We can pierce the various illusions that we
have made about time, but time is part of this reality.
Correct. Only by moving out of this reality,
and fully moving out of it, are you going to have a fully
changed expression of time. It helps, though, to remember
that if you’re running late for an appointment, you can
shift the way you think—usually by doing something that
your gut tells you is a spiritual activity—that changes
things, thus changing time. How many times have you done that?
You’re running late, and all of a sudden you consciously
put forth, I’ve got to change time—and instead of
taking twenty minutes, you’re there in seven. It does
happen. But it doesn’t happen because you have eliminated
time; it’s because you have manipulated it.
And you have to believe it can happen.
Yes. You have to know it.
Now, let me ask you a question: if that’s
so, why, when I use my hands in the “stop time, stop
space” movement, do I always cancel it immediately? And
the answer is that when I am working through this form [Lea],
I have many limitations, but even with those limitations,
it is still revving this form up to an impossibly high frequency,
which has its effects. That frequency is still occuring within
this reality, and it’s a frequency that could force a
change that is not being done by this one whose body I am
using. It’s not working within the rules, and that would
be problematic. I can change the outcome; I cannot change
the outcome. Did that make sense?
You’re capable of changing the outcome,
but you don’t have the freedom to change the outcome;
it shouldn’t happen.
If I change the outcome—which does
happen now and again—it’s with a very minuscule
issue that doesn’t throw that line out of place.
So changing the outcome would invalidate the
experiment.
Partially.
It would be like fudging the data.
Yes. Exactly so.
It means something happens that doesn’t
need to happen and can mess things up.
Now, mind you, that sort of thing does happen,
but it doesn’t happen amongst Guardians. It happens because
mass consciousness has fallen into a hole.
What do you mean by a hole?
Let’s hold that for now and move on
to the next question, because I think I can explain it better
later on in the interview.
During the September first-Sunday meeting, you
said, “I want you to try to start thinking of chronology
as a cosmic increment rather than a revolution-of-the sun
increment.” Would you explain what you meant by that?
Try to get out of the habit of looking at
the little version, and think more within the greater perspective.
Try to get away from thinking things like “something
terrible is going to happen if I don’t do this by tomorrow,”
into the greater perspective of “How much does this really
matter?” When I said that at the September meeting, I
was not making a statement about time but about perceptual
reality. I want you to look from the top of the mountain instead
of from down among the trees.
Next question: The basic building blocks of
cosmology are matter, energy, space and time.
At this point.
We have an understanding of how matter and energy
are connected, but would you comment on the relation between
space and time as viewed from your perspective?
Remember this: What you (Guardians) know
about energy is the very advanced version. Your scientists
haven’t put the mathematics on it yet, but it’s
there. Einstein was incomplete, not wrong, and that’s
going to change soon. Actually, I should say it has already
changed; it’s going to become a reality soon, because
it’s already in the works now.
All of this information was an aside to
explain that the initial assumption isn’t accurate. So
let’s go back to the space-time issue.
It’s one of those questions in which
it’s very easy to get caught in the assumptions. The
assumption here is that your world is working as if it has
an understanding of matter and energy, but it doesn’t.
Not yet. [To interviewers:] What I’m doing right now
at this moment is looking to see if the information about
matter and energy, space and time is already in use. Is there
understanding among the public? And if it’s not in public
understanding, when is it going to be? Because this is one
of those subjects that’s going to bring about a massive
change in your reality, so I must consider whether it should
be put out or not.
The ultimate answer is, it doesn’t
matter at all because people are going to believe what they
want to.
The thrust of the question is that we think
of space and time as similar because they are both dimensional:
the dimension of time and the three dimensions of space. I’m
asking if there is a connection between them, from your perspective,
that is analogous to the connection between matter and energy.
As I’ve been saying, in your world
there is a connection—a working together—of space
and time, because it’s a function of form. But from my
viewpoint they are totally unrelated, because my viewpoint
moves outside of form.
Paula, when you were in Mexico, you took
part in several visualizations, and there was a visualization
in which you shifted. Do you remember that? At the time, looking
at your energy, I believe you knew you did that. When Shining
power, when Shining function comes into you [Paula] for a
working of the Light, for ritual purposes, for you time and
space have shifted outside of this world, creating a hole—and
here we come to the explanation of what a hole is—in
the awareness of mass consciousness. The way I see these holes
looks like the ones in Swiss cheese—well, actually nowhere
near that many—but I don’t see them the way you
might. Think of a piece of fabric that is tightly woven, but
there are still tiny holes in it, aren’t there? However,
what I see are big spaces, and those big spaces are what form
changes through, and what consciousness changes by. And the
more often human consciousness experiences those changes,
and the more people there are who are taking part in a ritual,
as they allow more Shining Force to move through them, the
more the “fabric” of your reality changes.
That there are Guardians who have come here
for this transition, who have been Shining Beings involved
in seedings on this earth, and who are hanging out in human
form wishing things would go a whole lot faster than they
are right now—that changes what is possible. The picture
is so big that to you it would look impossible. To me, it
does not look impossible. So the more Shining function is
allowed to work in this world, the more people there will
be in mass consciousness who transform without a lot of process.
Do you remember a few years ago there used
to be discussions within the New Age community about “walk-ins,”
which, quite frankly, I just did not care for, because it’s
not, as they said, some spirit popping in and using you, it’s
you using you. Well, insofar as mass consciousness is concerned,
a better description of how a walk-in happens is that a remarkable
transformation is made as a result of hitting one of those
holes in the fabric of your reality. That’s not the best
or the most reliable way to reach the completion of Sacred
Status, but it would work.
In Mexico you mentioned pattern-keepers, and
you said that Guardians hold this dimension in place through
combined thought, basically.
Yes, but not all Guardians are pattern-keepers.
Right. But if we know that we can affect time,
change time, and if mass consciousness is touched enough by
those holes, isn’t there a danger that the personality
aspect of mass consciousness will be too strong and that that
ability could be misused?
That’s an excellent question.
Yes, that’s a very real possibility.
To shift back to the last interview, in some ways that’s
sort of what religion is about. It puts a box around a shift
and makes it something to manipulate others with, to abuse
power with. Now, many who will be reading this did not get
the strong and constant lectures that those who went to Mexico
got about abuse of power, but—big picture—abuse
of power is most easily accomplished by messing with your
time, because your space is connected to your time, and if
you lose hold fully on time, then your security system is
going to absolutely lock you in to your time and space, making
your spiritual evolution much more difficult. The reason it
does that is because that insecurity will mean you are so
busy keeping what you know as “reality” real—which
is what religion does by giving you different versions of
reality like heaven and hell—your spiritual growth will
be slowed down.
That means that the holes could be a blessing
or a curse.
Doesn’t it though? The more Shining
energy is active here, the faster it creates a new reality
using the holes, and by combining Shining activity with Guardians’
consciously putting energy into the Grid, the more a change
in knowledge becomes available.
And an example of that would be Dragon force.
Shining activity comes into the world for a specific purpose.
That specific purpose is a huge energy change—by way
of a seeding—all of which allows a greater understanding,
and a change in consciousness—belief systems. Well, to
you it looks as if when a seeding is awakened that chaos ensues.
And that’s pretty much what happens; it’s the gift
of it. But the chaos is directed toward positive change because
the opening that brought it about was Shining force. It was
an energy change and a consciousness change done at the same
time.
As for these holes, what Guardians are putting
into the Grid is a safety net, because without that you would
have manipulation, you have “nobody knows the answers,
so you can make up what you want,” whatever it is is
going to manipulate or disempower, versus bringing about very
positive change. The very positive change is only going to
come from you because the world does not have access to that
knowledge.
Some of us have become comfortable with the
idea of sending energy to a situation in the past to try to
change the resolution of a situation. But if we have knowledge
of the outcome already, it seems to make sending that energy
pointless. Could you discuss this paradox? Does knowledge
of the past prevent our having an effect on it?
It’s the kind of effect you have on
it. Or maybe another way to look at it is, the kind of effect
you can’t have on it. Let’s say someone was in a
car accident and you did not know about it at the time but
you’re sending energy even though they’re already
out of the hospital; this is the kind of thing that’s
being referred to, isn’t it?
Yes.
So if that person’s already out of
the hospital, what good is it to be sending energy to that
situation? You’re not going to change what was. But what
you can affect is how the person functions through what was.
Yes, you can make conscious choices about how you behave and
think, but a whole lot of what goes on with you is an automatic
process: you breathe without thinking about it, you repair
on a cellular level without thinking about it.
You think without thinking about it.
That’s true; it is. That’s so
incredible.
So when you send energy back, you are not
going to change that the car accident happened, but you are
going to be able to have an effect on some of those unconscious
actions. You put healing energy into it on a cellular level
when you ask for wholeness for a situation. And what that
will do is push the cells to make repairs in a way they may
not have done so without that energy. It works because it’s
a “like attracting like” thing. That’s not
outside of science, as you know it, at all. Your knowledge
of what your energy is capable of is going to take it to different
levels of “like” (that attracts like). You, as a
Guardian who knows your power—as opposed to a Guardian
who doesn’t—are going to have a greater effect on
basic function than one who does not know.
So, bottom line: you’re not changing
the event; you’re changing how one moves through that
event.
So, I have a car accident and I break my arm;
I go to the emergency room; they put a cast on; I go home.
The next day somebody sends me energy—I might even be
unaware of it—but perhaps my arm heals faster because
that energy has been sent to me .
Exactly.
What if a group of fifteen of us, ten years
from now, sends energy back to that situation?
Well, that’s like a crossover isn’t
it? A future self touching into a past self, or a past self
touching into a future self.
But what impact is there on any one of them?
The same. It doesn’t matter; it’s
the same.
Because crossovers don’t involve time.
Exactly. But the energy that’s sent,
no matter where it’s coming from, is not going to change
the outcome, it’s not going to change that the arm is
broken. It is going to change how like energy can connect
in.
If you have seventy beings capable of functioning
at Shining level and directing that energy to a function long
past—which is what Dragon work is all about—you
are going to affect that because you have like attracting
like; you have matched that frequency. A doorway opens because
that Shining force is working with it, or—like Mexico
or China—it might not fully open and you’ve got
to do it again at a higher level because there isn’t
enough of a connection. But that’s exactly what it is:
it’s a huge accumulation of power moving to a past event,
but the only thing that changes it is the right frequency.
As Guardians continue to raise their frequency,
they become less veiled and more aware and their perceptions
change. How does this change the relationship between Guardians
in form and the planet? How does that potentially affect our
world?
Read through that question again.
“As Guardians continue to raise their frequency,
they become less veiled . . .”
Right there. That throws off the question,
because Guardians don’t become less veiled, they are
becoming better able to access a different way of perceiving
what is still this world’s reality.
Saying that you become less veiled means
that eventually it’s all the way gone—unveiled—but
that isn’t how it works. What works is that those who
have the ability to step outside of the reality that mass
consciousness has created do so by having the ability to access
crossovers, to access other dimensions of time and space.
That loosens the hold of form’s constructs for the one
doing that. The good news is, the one doing that is putting
that change into the Grid. That can only be done by those
who work outside of—that is to say, at a higher frequency
than—the Grid itself. The Grid is not a function of mass
consciousness. So time flows in a way that is limited by form,
or is a function of form, but a higher frequency can change
the effect of that function, even though it cannot change
that function itself.
I think the question to ask is what I said
earlier: Time, does it matter? And the answer is, it doesn’t,
because your job as a Guardian is to function at continually
higher and higher frequencies, putting into the Grid the opportunity
for change. Time means there’s only so many segments
of awareness allowed. What you [Guardians] give to all of
that is that you can shift through the holes I mentioned earlier,
and through your work put the opportunity for positive change
into the Grid. And in doing that, in becoming, even for only
a few moments, that Shining frequency—you change awareness;
you don’t change time. You put into awareness a magical
state of being that can turn everything around. Magic, because
that’s what it looks like to mass consciousness, and
unfortunately what it looks like to a whole lot of Guardians,
too. But it’s not  magic;
it’s you.
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