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Phoenix Rising:
Questions for this issues interview
were submitted by the group which meets for toning in Louisville:
Jerry Cook, Jeanean Jacobs, Sheryl Meacham, Michael ORourke,
Laura Reed, Heidi Shedlow, and Joni Wooldridge. The topic,
and even the specific questions, are always discussed with
Lea before each interview. This time, since the topic was
based on the fall Lifescapes events, Samuel asked that the
relevant part of his talk in Lexington be included here as
background. That text, in the following two paragraphs, is
taken from Franks transcript of the teaching. Questions
within quotation marks are from the toning group; additional
questions and comments came from the interviewers.
Samuel: Mayan
knowledge was based on seeded information. . . . They were
piggy-backing on information that had been passed from culture
to culture, from even a world that is no longer, at this point,
a part of your earth except by cross-over. What would that
be? Yes, Atlantis. But where did the Atlanteans get their
information? Yes, ultimately from Shining Energy. The idea
that the Mayans were capable of basing cycles on something
they couldnt see either means, one, no one knows, so
they can say anything they want, or two, they are accessing
information from cultures that came before them [Samuel talked
about the Mayans and the mistakes and intent of their prophecies.]
The human aspect translates it as a very precise and amazing
calendar that ends. The spirit-self sees it as a very specific
and precise calendar that points to something that brings
about a new way of functioning in this world. Some see it
as the end of the Plan and Absorption; some see it as nuclear
war that makes changes on an atomic level; some see it as
disaster and some as opportunity. Which is it? If you prevail
it is opportunity. The good news is that its not just
you. But truly, there arent a whole lot of people putting
drops into that cup. The good news there is that for this
it doesnt really matter if it is a bit dirty water,
or artificial water, because, more or less, its a working
together of One Mind, One Vision, One Heart.
No matter how you would choose to
translate the human aspect of that knowing, the spiritual
aspect of it is that global change is comingunlike the
piddly stuff you thought of as change before. Think about
the ages in your past, theyve already done the destruction;
thats not necessary. Floods, meteors, etc. arent
needed; its already been done. This is something different.
Its not about destruction; its about construction.
Its an opening of the mind because of the heart. It
is a pulling together. What is going to be required for that
to happen? People are wanting change, both sides of the aisle.
And change will come about, and I guarantee you that the squeaky
wheel wins, so you have before you either oiling the wheel
so it doesnt squeak or being the squeaky wheel and beginning
to lead. Itll be because the masses no longer allow
what was. Right now you are on the human version of massive
change and I will assure you that the human version is massive
destruction. I can tell you it is an atomic destruction, though
there is no weapon on your planet that has a global effect.
When I say atomic, I am saying energy as you know it. I am
not saying the atomic bomb, because it wouldnt be big
enough. The sound weapons you have are not big enough. If
you want a massive destructive event (and you dont want
that), then its going to come from outside of your world,
not from within it.
What did you mean by atomic destruction?
Where would this event come from and what would give rise
to it?
The problem with these questions is that
they are based on my saying, This is how its going
to happen, and that means there is going to be some sort of
atomic deconstruction of the world. But thats
not what I said.
You did speak of it as a possibility, though.
And of it being the track we were currently on.
Let me try to give you the picture I was
originally trying to describe.
There are two choices. There will be change.
Its going to show up in one of two ways, as a spiritually
focused or a physically focused change. If it is a spiritually
focused changean internal changeit will be the
heart working with the brain, functioning in a new way, as
a result of absorbing new information, and that would be led
by Guardians, Guardians who are putting their actions into
the Grid to the point that what is currently abnormal in spiritual
growth will become normal. Theres a lot involved in
making that happen, but world change because of the completion
of Sacred Status is a very viable option, and Im doing
everything I can to get you to make that option available
to the world.
But the other version is, as will always
be the case in form, deconstruction in order to bring about
something new.
So, its going to happen one of two
ways: its going to happen as a result of a new way of
functioning or in the old way, which is usually fear-based,
usually somewhat painfulthe breaking down of the old
in order to build up the new. Does it need to be an atomic
bomb? Or a meteor hitting the earth?which is more likely.
No, and the reason for that is that the type of atomic bomb
you use today is much more focused, and it would be sort of
like blowing Manhattan off the planetinstead of blowing
up the whole country.
That kind of atomic is not what
I meant. I was speaking of the atomic level of you, the atomic
level of form.
Physical reality.
Physical reality. As you know, there are
those who have the ability to change their blueprint. Now,
thats very rare, but what is going to happen in the
world is that the planetary blueprint will change, and that
is the issue. How its going to change is the question,
and I cannot say Its going to happen this way,
because thats not yet determined.
This raises a couple of questions. You said
the change will be led by Guardians.
One of the versions. The one I hope works.
Right, the spiritually focused change will be
led by Guardians. What will that leadership look like?
Well, the simplest leadership is you putting
those changes into the Grid, hopefully handled in a personal
way by recreating your life to function more from the inside
out. Everything you do goes into the Grid. Everything you
think goes into the Grid. Thats not so scary when you
allow yourself to realize that what mass consciousness needs
is the okay for a do-over.
The way I usually say it is, Get back up
and keep going. If Guardians could fill the Grid with that
attitude, that would have a pretty profound effect on what
kind of model is out there when big changes come about. And
that is already happening. You have had a few years now of
being able to look at what is happening in your lives and
see it playing out in mass consciousness, knowing that what
you do is going to have an effect, so you should choose those
things that will make it a positive effect.
That would be the easiest kind of leadership,
and it would be wonderful if that was all it took. But until
Guardians commit to and become responsible for their effect
in the world, its not going to happen that way. Until
Guardians are willing to recognize that teaching the world
to fall and get back up means that they need to fall and get
back up, it will not. Guardians find this very difficult,
because they unfortunately tend to have the idea that they
should never fall. That isnt going to help the planet
at all.
So, at the retreat, I talked about being
honest. Look at yourself honestly. Dont make excuses:
I didnt really fall, because it wasnt my
fault. Nothing could have happened differently because it
wasnt me and it was. . . . Its getting back
up and continuing on that is important.
The falling down then actually can be seen as
an opportunity.
Exactly. Now that doesnt mean that
I want you to go out and purposefully fall down. That wouldnt
help the Grid. Thats not honest. You help the Grid when
you provide an example of hope. And hope is not Oh,
goodie, I can be perfect. Mass consciousness isnt
that stupid. Its I can do my best, but its
not always going to work and its not always going to
give me what I want. And sometimes it will cause me to fall
on my face. But I can get up and keep going.
One of the things that is so special about
these Guardiansthe Phoenix family, as its calledis
that you get cheered on when you honestly get back up and
start over. You cannot practice that in a better place. But
its not just taking part in the Coffee House where,
if you fall on your face, everyone claps anyway. The foundation
of the teaching is, you love one another, and that means that
you see each other with eyes wide open and appreciate what
works and dont focus on what doesnt. And you are
there to lend a hand when someone needs it.
Putting that into the Grid, as well as the experience
of the one who falls.
Absolutely. What would that do for the world,
particularly when it has been hit with so many things that
are creating anguish, poverty, starvation, gross water loss,
and on and on and on, on a planetary scale? It would give
hope and helpreaching out that hand and helping someone
back up and cheering them on. What would that do for a place
like Bangladesh, or other places that you never even think
about? If you put that into the Grid, then, on a planetary
level, that could well mean help for those in trouble around
the world. As a result, you could start to work on other things,
such as the kind of waste that you take part in, which doesnt
bother your lifestyle too much but makes life more difficult
in countries that dont have the resources they need
because all of their resources are going into creating your
indulgent lifestyle. There could be profound effects.
One of the reasons I have difficulty fully believing
this is that I see our group at Phoenix as such a tiny portion
of the world. When you speak of Guardianship on a larger scale,
who does that include?
Guardians are those who are here for a purpose.
They are Guardians of the greater Plan, which is, of course,
to guide and guard life force across the planet. It doesnt
mean those people who work with Samuel. It means
those who have come here with a compact to the planet. Now,
I work with you and your label as Guardians, but this is not
the only way I work in the world. There are, across the worldeven
in traditional religious arenasthose who have recognized,
if not their compact, at least their desire to make things
better, and very often the easiest and sometimes only way
to express that is through a religious type of outreach. So,
there are those across the planet that I work with directly
as Samuel, those that I work with indirectly in the greater
whole, and even those Im not working with at all, directly
or indirectly, but who are aware and have become activated
into their spiritual service on this planet.
Do you care at all to be specific about the
size of that total group?
Ultimatelybig pictureI work
with twelve. On a smaller scaleevery one of the twelve
has twelve. Im hesitating in that answer because, first,
its not a constant number; second, the twelve twelves
spread out and end up sounding like 144,000which is
right, more or less, but Christianity has taken that number
and perverted it so that it takes on a meaning in some minds
that I would not consider accurate at all. What Ive
answered before is 144,000, and let you multiply that yourself.
But remember that number is not fixed; its also not
reached.
These are the ones you work with on a larger
scale?
Yes.
And doesnt include all those Guardians
whom you do not work with.
Correct.
And so the actual number of people putting their
experience into the Grid is . . .
Hopefully, much larger. But putting something
into the Grid is only made powerful by consciously doing it.
Youve talked in the past about native
and non-native earth energies. I think you have said that
the Guardians that you work with as Samuel are primarily composed
of non-native earth energy.
Correct.
What is the Guardianship as a whole mostly comprised
of?
Non-native earth energies working at different
levels of earth experience. For the most part, non-native
earth energy does not have a whole lot of earth experience
and isnt a part of that greater wheel of life after
life. But they would have a certain number of life experiences
simply because if youre coming to help in the world,
then youre going to need to be in the world to do that
most effectively. There are those who have very little earth
experience compared to those who have chosen to come here
many times. So its the amount of wisdom gleaned from
earth experience that makes the non-native energy more effective,
or less.
Is there a greater concentration at this point
in time of non-native earth energies as Guardians on the planet?
Yes.
Is this more than any other previous transition?
This is the last time of transition.
So is the non-native earth energy in form on
the planet the cosmic intervention that were seeking?
Is this spiritual energy from outside this dimension of form
to bring about the change?
Yes, it is, but its not what most
people think of when they think cosmic intervention.
So its more accurate to say that the non-native
earth energies that are in form are the help.
Non-native earth energy in your form.
Do they bring about the change more quickly
because the native earth energies get more bogged down in
the wheel of karma?
Yes. But look at your own life. Non-native
earth energy gets bogged down, too.
Youve talked to us a lot about action
versus drama. Non-native earth energy can get pretty heavily
into drama.
And what is required for somebody to get
into drama? The requirement is youre only focused on
yourself.
Ego.
Exactly so. So if you want to be a part
of changing the world in the most efficient and powerful waythe
quickest wayyou want to work from within without ego.
If you catch yourself functioning out of egoyou might
recognize it because of dramatics, either with you or with
everyone around youthen you can say, Hmm, must
be a reflection of me; maybe Im being too dramatic,
too. That kind of ego functionme, me, me, me,
me; mine, mine mineis tell-tale of those who are slowing
down the whole process.
It seems paradoxical that so often you say we
need to get over our egos, to die to them, but at the same
time you tell us how important and special we are.
I dont think its a paradox at
all. If you are coming from spirit looking at form, youre
going to understand. If you are looking at it through the
eyes of form, its going to inflate your ego. I try not
to talk to your form very often. I try to talk to your spirit
all the time.
But know this: I never forget how hard it
is. I know that it is; I know that there is a lot of doubt
that goes with it; I know that there is a lot of outside influence
that makes it very hard for all kinds of reasons. But you
are not dumped here and asked to do the impossible. Look for,
ask for, help, and remember what you can give to each other.
Thats going back to an earlier part of this interview
where I discussed the power that you give each other by being
that supportive and strong hand when its needed.
We have some questions from the group on another
topic. How is our and the planets DNA evolving
as we move toward Sacred Status? And, since DNA to me
has a very specific scientific meaning, if youd explain
planetary DNA that might be helpful. I dont
recall your using that phrase.
I dont. Thats someone asking
a question because of things theyve heard elsewhere.
I use the word blueprint. So, how is the blueprint changing?
You are hopefully going to reach a point where you become
powerful enough to affect your own blueprint.
DNA, literally, is a signal, much like a
train on the tracks: which way is it going to go? Well, the
signal is, green light, stay on the track; red light, dont
continue on this one. Its the signal that says the brains
going to accept or reject this, the signal that says, because
of that accepting or rejecting, the body will function this
way or not. And its only one piece of a whole lot of
information that comes through to make that happen.
Youre not changing your blueprint
when toxic dumps make your groundwater bad and cause a generationeven
two or three generationsof mutations. That is the result
of an event. Thats why blueprint is a better way to
say it, because the blueprint involves form; it involves brain-body;
it involves the evolution of the human structure into a new
being, but it also involves a whole lot more. And when I refer
to blueprint, it is a spirit-led, an entity-led, function.
There are boundaries according to your blueprint, but you
are evolving, if you will, spiritually to the point that you
will be able to adjust that blueprint for greater function
in the world.
Understand this: DNA is form-based. The
planetary spirit doesnt have DNA. Its spirit function.
So planetary DNA doesnt work, but planetary
blueprint does.
What kind of effect is the earths
DNA [blueprint] change having on Guardians and mass consciousness?
And can we access and use the new function of the blueprint?
In 4:3:2 it was all about trying to find
a place of balance that was equally the spiritual earth and
the spiritual life forcehumansso that when you
would rise to a higher level or a greater frequency, you were
sort of stabilized there until the planet met that frequency
as well. That was 4:3:2, and many who would be reading this
would recognize that illustration.
5:3:2 changed that. 5:3:2 makes that question
inaccurate, because there isnt a determined pathway.
Free will, Guardianship, Grid, composite function, unityall
of those work to change the future, and the only issue really
is what can be done to better manage the resources you have
in order to bring about changes that will represent the completion
of the Plan.
What is the number-one answer to that? Toning,
because it changes your frequency. It changes your ability
to manipulate the blueprint.
How is Dragon work helping move the earth
to Sacred Status?
What is a Dragon, in Dragon work? Dragon
force, what is that?
Its seeded energy.
Seeded what, though? What is it thats
seeded? Remember that Guardians purpose is to guide
and guard life force. Life force is seeded into the planet,
but where is the Dragon work seeded into the world? At the
areas that have the greatest probability of supporting civilization,
in order to work with the greatest number of people. It is
an evolved version of seeding life force into the planet,
because it was seeding the seed of spiritual life force. It
is the seed of the greatest treasures within humanity. The
ability to loveThe greatest of these is lovehas
been a standard rule even in the most ancient civilizations.
Because of this seeding?
Yes, because of that. It is a desire for
unity. Yes, it gets perverted into rulership over others and
that sort of thing, but it also allows for individuals to
come together for a greater good, even though some will come
together for a lesser good. All of the best of spirit in this
worldthe power of Source in formthe highest attainable
function is seeded in Dragon work, waiting for the time that
humanity reaches the point that the next step can happen.
That happens because at the final transitionthat would
be nowGuardians are going to be functioning at a much
higher frequency, putting into the worldread that Gridthe
example of what is possible. This may affect humanity only
as little ripples, but opens the door to that seed being released,
and no more ripples being needed.
If across the planet all of Dragon energy
was released, you would have achieved the completion of Sacred
Statusbecause the effect it has on the world, even though
at first its chaos, is to bring about an opening of
the heart everywhereeverywhere. Consciousness has been
raised in China, in the Amazon, in the countries touched by
the major river force in Europe. It is a very beautiful and
attainable work. And youre already doing things that
are speeding along the process. It may not seem like too much
to you to awaken the Dragon force underground [in the Yucatán],
but thats very high-level work.
So, a lot is being done. More is needed,
but if you look, you can see that the Dragon work has done
more to change your world than even Heart Portals and Crown
Portals did.
I think one of the questions submitted for Samuel
Responds would fit in here. It has been easier to follow
events in Mexico and make a connection with the working in
the Yucatán than the Rhineland Dragon working. What
effects have you observed as a result of the Rhineland work?
The biggest is the current economic failure.
Now, Im going to speak of extremes here, and theyre
rather general. Germany, and western Europe throughout the
Rhineland, has a very protected technical and economic lifestyle,
not as consumer-driven as the United States or Britain. The
economic melt-down going on, instead of causing chaos and
great damage in Germany, in the Netherlands, what you are
seeing instead is a country pulling together and not falling
prey to the dramatic and thewelldangerous. Its
a very beautiful example of managing chaos. This kind of response
is always a choice, but its a choice that is rarely
taken.
On the other hand, there is also a large
rise in focus on tyranny and dictatorship, and this is not
a good thing; its not making the right choice. There
is more of that going on now in neo-Nazi and Fascist groups,
and even the government there is affected as it acts more
conservatively on the world stage. Right now the German government
is trying to shift away from the European Union, so that it
is not so affected by those who have made poor choices. And
thats not a good thing. Economic problems allowed Hitler
to rise.
So, at any rate, I see that Germany is reacting
exactly like the other Dragon areas you have worked through.
Look at the news with your eyes open and youre going
to see it.
The last question from the Louisville group:
What does empowering the masses look like?
Well, spiritually speaking, it looks a whole
lot like the kind of energy produced at this last retreat:
a willingness to look at oneself and choose a direction that
doesnt aim at every potholesee the potholes coming
and shift around them. When you are forced to look at yourself,
you have a choice. The empowered choice is, Not perfect,
but doing my best to function in love.
The disempowered choice is, All of
this should be going the way I want it to go, because thats
the only way I feel safe. At last years retreat,
there was a whole lot of This isnt going the way
I want it to, and thats the only way I feel safe.
At this one, that attitude was not there.
That is important. Think about how that
would affect humankind, if that same heart-centered action,
rather than fear, came first. Trust before control, rather
than just control.
On a physical level, the empowerment is
first going to show up as a very strong tendency to manipulate
for ones own good, but that is going to shift as humankind
wakes up and listens to some of the squeaky wheels who are
saying, Path of doom, path of doom. Dont go there.
But then it will sound more like Here is the evidence
that humans have created this global warming, and here is
the change that is going on in science as scientists are realizing
that the laws of physics that theyve worked on so long
arent necessarily all the laws there are. As you,
even in the limitations of form, are able to access more,
youre going to see empowerment in every corner of life.
And its about trust, not fear.
A very quick explanation: science is looking
right now at quantum function. It is making real in the mass
consciousness of technologically advanced nations the idea
that your atomic structure can fully release its pattern,
shift into another place, and then return. Now, the very miracle
of releasing the pattern has not even been thought of yet.
Right now its just so exciting that the matter goes
somewhere else. But thats creating the avenue for multi-dimensional
function here on the planet.
Now, its only going to come about
if you do not automatically throw every bit of fear into that
and you are instead able to trust that there is a greater
pattern holding it all together. And you are making these
changes in a very timely way.
Can you imagine what empowered humanity
functioning with those abilities could
be doing? I can only hope.
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